Re-Set Your Routine With Your Wellness Top of Mind
August 5, 2024 | Episode 21
Producer’s Note: The following is an AI-generated transcript of The Wellness Conversation, an OhioHealth Podcast
SPEAKERS: Marcus Thorpe, Lindsey Gordon, Dr. Auciello
Marcus Thorpe 00:15
Another summer is in the books. And while the summer is a time of year that we long for all winter long, it's also a time where we like to spend outside maybe traveling. If we're lucky, we get to relax a little bit too. Certainly about to change as we dive into another school year. Welcome to the wellness conversation and OhioHealth Podcast. I'm Marcus Thorpe.
Lindsey Gordon 00:34
And I'm Lindsay Gordon here to help us navigate this time of year where we go from rest to reset to new routine is OhioHealth family medicines, Dr. Steve Auciello. Hello, thank you, Steve, for being here.
Dr. Auciello 00:46
Happy to be here. Thanks for having me.
Marcus Thorpe 00:47
Well, Dr. Auciello, we're certainly glad you're with us. You know, Fall means new beginnings. So, you might be starting a new job you might be sending a child maybe to kindergarten are off to college routine is certainly about to change. We know pretty significantly for a lot of families. Right? You've enjoyed summer, all summer long. And now what should we be thinking about as we kind of get back into these routines? How do we protect our minds? How do we work on our health? And how do we work on our wellness? I know, it's a big, loaded question. But what's the best way to get back in those routines? Again?
Dr. Auciello 01:18
Wow, there's a there's a lot in that answer there, the answer is going to be different for everyone. I think one thing that is probably applicable to everyone listening to this is focusing on progress, not perfection, and that this is probably not going to be an easy transition for any of us. And some things are not going to go exactly as we want them to. But as long as we can take a proactive approach towards doing what we need and what those around us need. That's generally the best thing we can do for ourselves. And there's so many things that encompass that looking at our daily routine, looking at sleep looking at exercise, we can talk a little bit more about but most importantly, trying to be proactive, trying to recognize what the needs that we have are and of those around us and trying to respond to those to the best that we can to really make sure we have a good understanding of where we're at. And what we really need. As we go through any difficult transition, including this back-to-school fall transition, balancing some of the most beautiful time of the year in Ohio, with the stresses of restarting school. And as someone with three small children at home, and a wife, who's a teacher who's all getting ready to go back, these are definitely conversations that are really close to my house as well.
Marcus Thorpe 02:35
I think it's really interesting too, based on the stages of your family. I mean, some folks have no kids. And so it's just kind of getting back into maybe the traffic changes and those kinds of things. And then all three of us have kids at different stages of our lives. And so, sleep is very different. I think from person to person, and especially in your household, you've got nine-year-olds all the way down to three-year-old. So, I mean, this really is kind of family time to figure out what works best for each family, right? No size, one size fits all.
Dr. Auciello 03:08
Right, right. And when it comes to sleep, there is no one answer for everyone, but everyone needs it. Figuring out how you can get the amount of sleep that you need. Some people need more sleep than others. If you're someone who needs a lot of sleep, what do you need to do the evening prior to get that sleep? Are you doing things to give yourself that quality sleep, making sure you're not looking at your screens too much trying to not do much in bed other than sleep to try to turn those screens off, turn those lights off, try to get a quiet environment, trying to avoid excessive water intake, alcohol intake, anything that's going to potentially disrupt that sleep or give you lower quality sleep, and then trying to get to bed at a time that you need to get as much sleep as you need. For those listeners that have kids, kids under the age of 12 need nine to 12 hours of sleep a night. So they do need a little more sleep than adults, really trying to make sure if we're trying to set kids up for success that we're getting them to bed at consistent bedtimes, especially if they need to get up early, if they're preparing to return to sports, and really trying to proactively get ahead of that set consistent routines is going to be one of the most important things to make sure we all get enough sleep.
Lindsey Gordon 04:20
Definitely. I know this time of year too, regardless of whether maybe you're starting a new job or you're starting a new activity, or your kids of course are getting back into school with that the mental load can increase keeping track of all the things places to go, you know, things to do appointments, that sort of thing. What do you recommend to manage all of that? I know sometimes by the end of the day when you were talking about sleep, I know I just can't wait to like hit the restart button for myself and like go to bed restart fresh the next day because the mental load can be very heavy.
Dr. Auciello 04:54
Absolutely. And there is one thing that we can't control on that there's only so much time and the day and we can't just keep adding more and more things into the day. But as life gets more and more complex, we've got to figure out what works for us to balance all the competing needs of each of our own lives. I think being proactive and thoughtful about that is probably the most helpful thing we can do. This is something that is a daily, I don't want to say struggle, but a daily area of growth for me as well, is always trying to figure out how can I fit the conflicting needs of my work life of my personal life of my family into a schedule that makes sense, and gives the attention that each of those things need? And I don't think there's one answer that works for everyone. And one of the most important things is being aware of that, recognizing the patterns, recognizing where there's a pull where you need to give a little more time somewhere else and a little, maybe less time somewhere else, and trying to continually adapt to that. And as soon as you find that answer, life's probably going to throw a wrench in it's going to change that a little bit. But I do think being proactive, being aware of those things that are important to your well-being is going to make those stresses a little bit easier. If there is organizational things that you can do to keep track of things. You know, I really love having a shared calendar that I share with my family, and that we put some of the important updates on because whenever we don't put something into the calendar, those are the things that fall across and fall through the cracks. Whether that's a physical calendar, a digital calendar, some kind of sticker chart, you know, I've got a, I've got a three-year-old who's getting ready to potty train and getting ready to restart the sticker charts there everything that we're trying to do to track, we have so much technology available to us. Sometimes they're really simple things work the best too but having some type of structure to keep you aware of all the things you're trying to keep track of. And then recognizing what are those things you need for your well-being. And even if you don't have a whole lot of time, how can you get what you need for your well-being somewhere in your day, whether that's sleep, whether that's exercise, connecting with friends and family, or just a little downtime to stare at your phone, stare at the TV, maybe do a little mindfulness meditation, whatever that may be, that's important for your well-being making sure you're putting the time aside to do that for yourself as many days as possible.
Lindsey Gordon 07:11
Is it possible that we are just over scheduled these days? And do you think there's more of a negative impact to that, and I think about like our own family flow, right. And on days where we're chilling, we ended up watching maybe a little bit too much screen time. But at the same time, I know like my kids are getting time to reset and rest. And we're not doing like soccer, gymnastics, hockey, all the things every day. But some parts of the year we are doing all of those things at once. And so how do you find that balance?
Dr. Auciello 07:41
What a great question. I think that is a question that every I would say most listeners struggle with in some way. Everything in moderation. I whether that is over scheduling or finding enough time. For that relaxation. I think play and unstructured time is really important for kids too physical activity is so important for kids aiming for an hour a day is great. But when you're scheduling things, trying to be intentional about scheduling, so kids have enough activities around them, I'd say this probably applies to adults, not just kids as well. But there's enough things to do without having every minute of the day scheduled, you do need to have that time to debrief, to have that relaxation time to have that unstructured play. As much as I love some of the activities that I do with my kids, my favorite time with my kids is some of those unstructured play that only may only take you know, 10 or 15 minutes of the day. But that kind of pure play where you were just allowing their imagination to run wild and trying to make sure you give respect to all of those things and create space for all of those. If you notice that you're being pulled one direction or the other, try to do something to make that change. If you don't have enough scheduled structure, then look for those little opportunities to give those experiences and if you ever recognize that, wow, every evening I am spent doing this thing or you know, I'm seeing someone who's not doing their best at these things. What can you do to add a little space or a little unstructured time there too.
Marcus Thorpe 09:11
I think part of kind of getting back into routines when it comes to the fall and getting out of that summer. Way of Life is nutrition and like understanding that I think about my family. It's like cheers at wits and Hilliard, right the ice cream place you walk in, it's like oh my gosh is the fourth or fifth time we've been there. They know us by name. And so, some of that is going to change a little bit because you don't have that freedom. And you have to get back into a little bit more routine based when it comes to nutrition. How do you factor that in for you and your family? And what should you be thinking about now that we're back in at some of that routine and not this freewheeling summer wherever you want to go however many times in the week we want to do it.
Dr. Auciello 09:55
Yeah, if you're not eating the right foods that is going to make it harder to sleep to exercise to have enough energy during the day, you know that being said, some of the most important things are enjoying food. And of course, I would never want to tell someone to not go to wits and get a little bit ice cream every now and then. I think being proactive in terms of thinking about what you do in nutrition, that's important for your well-being, I'm a big breakfast fan, try to make sure I get a good healthy breakfast to start my day. But that's going to look different for everyone. Generally trying to drink fluids throughout the day water as much as possible, trying to eat a diet that is high in some of our more complex carbohydrates and some proteins that can keep you full. Because if you're hungry, you're probably not going to be learning as well, you're probably going to be a little cranky as I get anytime, I am hungry. And trying to figure out what's that pattern that makes sense for you. If those meals that trying to make nice meals are stressful, can you find a time to do some of that meal preparation to set you up for success throughout the week, whether that's one meal a day, or just something that can help you get the food you want to and avoid some of those decisions, you may regret later with having to revert to going through fast food or kind of just picking some things up quickly. And then not feeling like you ate as nutritious as you would have liked to.
Lindsey Gordon 11:19
I'm definitely guilty of that. Sometimes I just want a bag of chips, and I never feel good afterwards. But it's one of my comfort foods, right? But right away, I know, bad decision.
Dr. Auciello 11:32
I'm a big fan of the 80/20 rule. If you can do things right 80% of the time, give yourself some grace for the other 20% Nobody does things well, 100% of the time, we are all human, we all need a bag of chips sometimes or some wits sometimes whatever that may be. And if we aim for 100% success, we are rarely going to be successful. So, if you aim, find some ratio that works for you that 80/20 rule is really stuck to me. And if I think hey, this week, if I did things well, 80% of the time, and I just did what I wanted the other 20% That's a successful week in my book.
Marcus Thorpe 12:03
Could I talk you into 75/25?
Dr. Auciello 12:06
Absolutely. Absolutely. Whatever number makes sense for you.
Lindsey Gordon 12:11
With nutrition, a lot of times we also talk about exercise and being fit and active. And I know when you're starting a new routine, maybe it's a new job. You might think about oh man, so much of my morning is prep for the job, and then I do the job and then I'm tired from the job or whether that's your school day. How can you work in exercise in a meaningful way? I mean, doesn't have to be I know, we hear that it's good to get, you know, so much a week. How can you do that, where you can work it in to your schedule and actually make it happen.
Dr. Auciello 12:47
I think what the way you bring it up is the most important thing is figure out the way that works in your daily life. You don't have to go from not exercising at all to intense cardiovascular exercise where you're pouring down sweat at a gym every day. That's not sustainable for most patients, or excuse me, not sustainable for most listeners and Dr. Auciello here. Figure out those things that you get enjoyment out of, and what exercise looks like for you. If you really enjoy running or walking if you like getting outside. If you'd like getting to the gym, you'd like that camaraderie of those around you look at your daily life and see where does this fit the best. And just look for what are those initial opportunities. The biggest challenge was starting any renew routine, especially an exercise regimen is trying to figure out that consistency. Because for those first couple of weeks of starting a new routine, those are usually the most difficult where every single day you're having to drag yourself out of bed or you're trying to take yourself away from other things you want to do. And aiming for a half an hour a day. Four to five days a week is a very reasonable place to start. Don't feel like you need to go spend two or three hours at a gym every day of the week. Maybe it's 15 minutes maybe it's a lunch break where you just take a walk around maybe it's something you can do at work. Can you can you get you know, you have access to a treadmill are a quick walk anywhere if you're working at home, they've got some great little treadmills or bikes you can put under your desk there to eat. Those are a little great. I have a treadmill desk. So, I spend a lot of time walking at my desk, and I am just amazed at how initially, I kind of missed having a chair. I was like wow; I don't really have anywhere to sit down and now I just like I work better standing up and walking on this treadmill. It's one of those things that after you do something for a couple weeks, it does get easier. So, as you're aiming for any new routine, looking to start small and start consistent, I'm a big fan. I you know, I was raised on video games, and I love the gamification of things and some of those positive rewards that as all the phone games go there are there's pause bit of psychology in the triggering of when we get those positive rewards, we want to keep doing something. So can you create those positive rewards, if there's something that you want, you can create that incentive for yourself, hey, if I get up, you know, 10 times this month and do this exercise routine, I'm going to treat myself with this thing. You know, put it on a board, put it in your phone, something like that, I have found a lot of personal success doing that, and helping me motivate towards some of my goals. By adding a little bit of that gamification, a little bit of those positive rewards at the end of the tunnel, just the same way, we're incentivizing my three-year-old to start using the potty, I'm incentivizing myself with my exercise routine to get some of those things I might want.
Lindsey Gordon 15:38
I just got a reward on my Nike Run app for running 300 miles. And it took me by surprise, because I sure did not run 300 miles. But somehow one of my kids launched the app at some point. And it took off and it went for a whole week ends at the end of the week on Friday, I got a congratulations for running 300. Take it I bet you still felt great. Yeah, I felt great. It really brought my average up my average mileage up for the month. So, I'll take it.
Marcus Thorpe 16:06
So over at Riverside Family Practice where you're the program director over there, I love not only what you guys do, but really throughout the system at OhioHealth is really getting our young athletes ready to go for their new seasons and everything that goes with that. And a big part of that is the physicals. They are required in a lot of the sports specially here in the state of Ohio. Can you talk about that? Because I know, we really want those families to start thinking about that as early as possible. Because it really starts to stack up as far as being able to get in in a timely manner ahead of your season starting walk us through the process for sports physicals in your space.
Dr. Auciello 16:48
Yeah, absolutely. And I think this is a great time of the year to be thinking about that. If you can take care of some of these things before your kids are going to get back to school, this is a great time to do it, because then they're going to miss less school. And not only for pre participation physicals. But for just a general check in with their primary care provider. Just if they're due for a well child visit if they have any vaccines they may be due for or if they have any questions they want to talk to the doctor about this is a great time of the year just to do that once a year check in to make sure everything is growing appropriately, that there's not any questions as things come along that we can answer. And for pre participation, this is a great time just to check in and make sure that your child is in tip top shape ready for whatever sport they are planning for that we can anticipate if there hasn't been any recent injuries or any soreness that could develop into a more serious injury, that we can give some appropriate guidance and try to get ahead of that. So, it's certainly recommended, particularly for those student athletes, that are preparing for a new year of sports participation, but also for anyone who has just been a while since they've gone in to see their doctor, this is a great time to schedule that. Also think about things like have they been to the dentist in the last 6 to 12 months did they need an eye exam, trying to make sure that you're setting them up for success. eyestrain in school is something that if they can't see as well on the screens with how much we use screens now that does produce more eyestrain. So, making sure that your kids periodically were being aware of if they have any vision difficulties, just ask them if they're having any trouble seeing and consider getting a vision screen if not.
Lindsey Gordon 18:26
I'm curious to know what those appointments when parents are there to over the course of your career. Have you seen like the theme of questions asked evolve as screen time has become more prevalent? Like are you hearing parents start to ask more questions about it or things like that? Have you seen any themes change over time?
Dr. Auciello 18:44
I think with education being more and more screen focused, we've had to adapt how we ask questions about screen time to how much you're using screens outside of all the time you're spending in school looking at screens. While we're still learning more about the long-term effects of this there is so many amazing possibilities with how much educational components you can get via the internet and via screens. But there is that component of eyestrain and of sitting there staring at a screen instead of looking at a chalkboard or doing things. So, I do think that regular eye care is important. Trying to really put some types of limits on screen time outside of educational activities is probably a good idea. Not only the screens itself, but the sophisticated technology that's built into the apps we use that's training our brain to want to keep using them. I said think setting realistic limits. There's a lot of powerful tools for parents to allow access to some things and limitations on others on some of our technological devices. I know we have Apple devices, and they've got some really wonderful features for that too. I think trying to be proactive and set that in some way. If you have concerns and you're not really sure or how much talk to your children about that tried to set realistic limits. In general, no more than 60 minutes a day is probably a good idea, maybe one to two hours. I think those numbers have started to trickle up as we've looked at how much how much time people are actually spending on these screens. And then how do we separate out some of the educational uses of those screens. Also, knowing that over time, you know, spending hours a day staring at a screen is going to cause some more eyestrain.
Lindsey Gordon 20:26
So interesting.
Marcus Thorpe 20:27
I can see my kids wanting to be here and try to negotiate like I did with you on the 75/25 when it comes to screen time. What have you found you know, you've had a family now for 9 or 10 years with your oldest but when we get to this time of year, what's the most challenging thing for you all as a family to try to get yourself back into routines? Once the summers over right, you've done all the trips, and you've done all the fun things that go with it? What have you struggled with? That maybe our listeners can be like, yeah, that's me. I know exactly what that's like, too.
Dr. Auciello 21:00
I think it's the inertia, it's the you get into one habit, or you fall out of a habit. And just pulling back into a structure is hard. You know, right now, our kids don't have alarm clocks going off. My two youngest boys share a room and sometimes one's up, sometimes the other is up and their time they're getting out is really variable anticipating that okay, in you know, a week or two, they all have to be up, they have to have eaten breakfast, they have to have brushing their teeth, and they have to get out the door by a certain time period. That just stresses me thinking about.
Lindsey Gordon 21:30
I'm thinking that's like an Olympic sport, you know?
Dr. Auciello 21:32
Yeah, yes. And, um, you know, that that morning rush, I know, it just starts off your day. If things go well, it's like I'm going to, it doesn't matter what happens the rest of the day, if I got out of the morning, and things went well, I can handle anything, you can start your day off on a stressful day. Boy, it's, it's a hard way to start your day. I think the consistency is important. Thinking about a trial run, like I will probably turn the alarms on a few days before school starts back up and just try things out because we got to reset some of those expectations and giving your kids a chance to okay, if they slept through their alarm, day one, the reminders, okay, here's why it's important. Okay, maybe you didn't get a couple of minutes to turn the TV on if you didn't get up when your alarm went off. Because that's what you'd like to do in the morning before you get your breakfast. Working through some of those initial challenges before day one of school may shift some of that expectation setting a little earlier. And be really clear. Here's the expectations not only in the morning, but when they get home, if they've got homework, making sure they know the expected time where they're going to be doing that homework that they get that done before they go get the positive reward they may want to do after that consistent bedtime expectations, trying to roll that in a little early. And also giving some grace knowing that this isn't going to go perfectly all the time. But trying to aim towards not necessarily perfection, but progress.
Lindsey Gordon 22:46
I love that. We've come full circle. That was your first bit of advice here on the podcast, progress, not perfection. I like that.
Marcus Thorpe 22:54
Um, I also pay attention to your kids too. I mean, when your kids get into Lindsay, when your kids get into school, I noticed the first two weeks, they are in a really rough attitude coming home, like they're overwhelmed and they're so tired and everything's coming at them. And so, when they first get home from school, they're like different kids like they are so tired and, and irritable sometimes.
Lindsey Gordon 23:20
And they're comfortable with you so they can they can you know, let that out with you.
Marcus Thorpe 23:24
And then things smooth out. So, if you have new if you have kids going to school for the first time kindergarteners or just kids that can be emotional, understand that give them some grace and those first couple of weeks because they need it for sure.
Dr. Auciello 23:35
Absolutely. My kindergartener just finished kindergarten last year and had a very similar experience, I'd say, is so important when you get kids home from school, if you really want to know how things are going. I know I think as when I was a newer parent asked the question, oh, how was your day today? You get the good, you get the fine, you don't get much. But as you start to ask more granular, specific questions, you're going to get more specific information. So, I would encourage everyone if they're in those situations, ask what was the best thing that happened today? What was the hardest part or today? You know, what made you happy today? What made you sad today? Tell me more about recess. What games did you play? I have learned that I, I can understand so much more about the day-to-day activities in a very short period of time for my school aged children just by asking the right questions.
Lindsey Gordon 24:19
So interesting. We have found that my son saves it until my husband, and I are both in the room to tell us everything about his day. So, we try really hard to do dinners at the table every night, same time because we know someday activities are going to take over that. And he just spills the beans on everything in the day. We're like, whoa, you've been keeping that in this whole-time little buddy. But he waits so we're both together to tell us all because he doesn't want to repeat it twice. So funny. He's four and he's got it all figured out.
Marcus Thorpe 24:46
Alright, this has been great information, Dr. Auciello. But, one of our favorite things about this podcast is not only getting the information from me, which is great, but then getting the chance to get to know you a little bit better. You ready for some kind of lightning round questions?
Dr. Auciello 24:57
Absolutely.
Marcus Thorpe 24:57
All right. Let's talk about We're talking about it a lot. If you could go back to school and maybe study something else than what you currently are in, what would you go back and do?
Dr. Auciello 25:07
Oh, I love learning about so many things. In the last couple of years, I've really gotten into woodworking and learning more about all the different tools and shaping wood. And I wish I would have gotten some of that a little earlier. So I think if I wouldn't go back to school, I would like to spend a little more time in woodshop, and learn how to use all the different tools. While YouTube is great. I think some actual classes would have been very helpful.
Marcus Thorpe 25:31
There's nothing better than the smell of cooking classes when you're in high school. I was terrible at that stuff. But I would just go and be like, oh, it smells so good in here.
Lindsey Gordon 25:40
I totally as soon as you said that. That is exactly what I thought of to. Who was your favorite teacher? And why?
Dr. Auciello 25:47
Oh, yeah, that's an easy one. That's my fourth-grade teacher, Mr. O'Strander, I will always remember that that was a shift for me from what I considered kind of typical learning to a focus on curiosity, and asking the question why and a little more of that unstructured learning that really encouraged you to critically analyze things around you. And it just I think it it pushed a whole frame shift in me from going through the motions and learning to get excited about learning that I'd like to think I've continued to maintain today in my role as the program director for our family practice program.
Marcus Thorpe 26:25
That's amazing, a fourth grade teacher at that time in your life just came at the right time and said the right things and got you going in the right direction.
Dr. Auciello 26:33
Absolutely. Yeah.
Lindsey Gordon 26:34
Yeah, maybe you wouldn't be here today if it weren't for him.
Dr. Auciello 26:36
Yeah, and I've been privileged that a few times through my training, I've shared some letters back and forth with him and kept him up through my progress. I remember writing him a letter in medical school and give him a wonderful response back there and maintain that curiosity. And I always love the Dr. Seuss book. Oh, the places you'll go. It's amazing how impactful teachers can be on students lives.
Lindsey Gordon 27:00
Shout out Mr. O'Strander Hope you're listening.
Marcus Thorpe 27:03
So Riverside family medicine is so special. They do such great work in a lot of different spaces. So let's talk about kind of your work there. What do you enjoy most about the world of family medicine?
Dr. Auciello 27:15
Oh, that's a question I could give a quite long answer to. In my world, I spend time as a family physician, taking care of patients in the hospital and outside of the hospital and taking care of patients that I've been getting to know over the course of my now 11 years as a practicing family physician. And I spend the other half of my time teaching new practicing family physicians who have graduated medical school are in our in their first couple years of practice. I think I enjoy so much of both of those worlds, and how we blend those together. And the patient care aspects, there is nothing better than the continuity that I have been able to develop with my patients. I think that's why so many people who go into family medicine, choose family medicine. And I'm just now getting to that point where I've known people for 10 or 11 years, and really understanding what their long-term goals are helping them meet their goals over time. Being by their side and some of their best days and some of their worst days, it is an incredibly rewarding experience. And I continue to appreciate the weight of the patient physician relationship and how important a strong patient physician relationship can be when navigating people's biggest health challenges. On the teaching side of things, it's helping those new residents navigate the same things. You know, we these are our resident learners, they are they're delivering babies, they're talking through end-of-life conversations and everywhere in between. And understanding the gravity and the weight of these conversations, appreciating that and understanding how to be as effective as possible at those things. And working together as a group. These are really hard years, where we're expecting so much of them, and really trying to partner with them to help them be the best family physicians they can be, and hopefully carry that throughout the rest of their career. I like to talk with my wife as my wife's a teacher, and she's trained as a teacher, and I'm a doctor who's kind of learning how to teach along the way. But I think both of us have agreed that the long-term gratification of that teaching of helping someone understand a situation and then carry that forward is really such a meaningful experience.
Marcus Thorpe 29:30
And if you're a future physician and you're listening, consider family medicine. We need more great family medicine, docs out there. They're so important. We know as parents, they're the people you trust so much when you walk in the door and say, please help me I don't know what I'm doing here. Right.
Lindsey Gordon 29:46
I have weeks where I see our pediatrician more than once a week. Yeah, especially when cold and flu season picks up and I always love I can call you know, and it's a place to get real information about any questions. I have and there's no judgment. I might have a concern, and I know I can call and get peace of mind.
Marcus Thorpe 30:06
It's great. Well, Dr. Steve Auciello you've been great. I've known you for a while since I've been here at OhioHealth. You've always been one of my go-to guys. And I know you'd be great on this podcast. And you certainly were. So, thank you so much for joining us.
Dr. Auciello 30:18
Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure.
Marcus Thorpe 30:20
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Lindsey Gordon 30:38
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